getting over it

By a long time ago, you mean like last month, right? While I jest, I think the intersting word to pluck (well there are many) from your entry is perspective, also the implied word is LOCATION.

Southern NJ does not offer the same persepctive as say San Francisco, CA, or Greenwich Village, NY or that wonderful sounding place you mentioned (which I will stay if I ever make it to Australia which is on my wish list of places to venture someday). Also I pluck the word ideal and sterotype - interesting juxtaposition of the two ideas as well as your example (I will leave other comments about media and persepctive.)

I do think it is media, and the Internet and the global communication that now exists is changing perspective at a rate unlike anything else in history (travelling days by horse/boat vs seconds by digital transfer) and that will affect how persepctive melds, and transforms.

Also, I agree with you at the root that persepctive is changing, even as I read another state proposiong, banning, restricting gay rights in America... i am trying desparately to remember the last time thing FOR the right of a gay person passed...)

But again, the thing to keep in mind is your last statement - I teach geology, amoungst the other too many things on my plate, and one of the most important phrases is - CHANGE THROUGH TIME (the definition of evolution) - of course no indication of the good, bad or indifferent.... But Time and Change seem to go hand in hand...

doc (who is proud she did not totally go off on this subject :-P
 

ok please forgive my horrible grammar, spellign and dropped words in my last post, I really need to review my writing rules and practice a little more.... sigh

doc
 

I don't care about spelling and grammer (well, not here, anyway.)

Thankyou for your words, as always.

-Hil.
 

Alright, I've started this post and erased it several times, but I think I have it figured out now.

Equality is a funny thing. Why do people need to accept a gay guy? Why can't they just accept the guy? I think Jack on Will and Grace is one of the most annoying characters ever created for television. I don't dislike Jack because he's gay. I just dislike him as a person. Will, I like just fine. I don't like George Castanza on Seinfeld either.

The problem is that it is ok for me to dislike George, because he isn't gay. When I dislike Jack, though, there can only be one reason...homophobia [not true, but I hope you see my point].

If a person is gay/lesbian and that makes them happy, then I'm all for it. I'd prefer they didn't remind me every day though. I know you are a philosoper, but it isn't the topic of every post you write.

Live and let live...right?
 

I wouldn't call a person who dislikes Jack homophobic, unless they disliked him specifically because of the reason that he is gay. I don't like George Castanza either, I also didn't like a guy called Chris at my high school, who was gay, but not because of that, it was simply because he was a smug, arrogant and generally rude person.
Now that I think about it, I don't think that the people should have got their hotel room cheaper because they were gay. That's silly. Should have been the same price as everyone else... even though I would say that these people are friends of mine (or friends by association.)
I don't think a persons sexual orintation is the most important thing about that person, but it makes up an aspect of them.

That was a long-winded way of saying: I understand what you're saying.
 

I agree with you Hil, the rooms should not really have been cheaper because Liza and Nic were the ones who went there to sign in, and we were all discussing the the fact that that could be seen as being a bit random and discriminitory, but the hotel wants to be known as being very gay-friendly, (which being on that street, it sorta has to be!) and its not an advertised deal.. I don't really know where I was going to go with this, but, you know. :D

sorry I missed your call earlier chach, i was in the shower. :D
 

my first thought when reading this was that, by giving them the room for cheap, they were still calling attention to your friends being "different", and changing their behaviour, which still seems prejudiced to me, and i was wondering if anyone else would notice that too...
one of the greatest guys i know is gay, and one of the biggest assholes i know is gay - the first is my friend cause he's fun to hang out with, and the other i refuse to talk to anymore because he's too much to deal with, neither decision is based on them being gay, just on them being different people (nice vs. asshole)...
i do think it's good that your friends weren't ostracized or given a hard time for being openly gay, but at the same time, i don't think being gay deserves special treatment in the opposite way... as menelaus said, live and let live - treat people as people, don't give breaks or hard times based on skin colour, sexual orientation, or any of the other bullshit reasons people find to categorize, classify, and pre-judge people... i realize people will give breaks and hard times to others, it's in human nature, but do it because you like or dislike an individual, y'know?
the other thing i was thinking, was that lesbians seem to get an easier time than gay men (from a guy's perspective, that is)... that is to say, i know of a lot of asshole's who would want to kick a guy's ass for being gay, but think the idea of two women is 'hot'... it just makes me wonder if it was a man or woman at the reception desk your friends checked in at...
so as a matter of curiousity, do many women give lesbians a hard time? i'd just be curious to know...
anyways, i gotta get going...
take care, and by the way, i hate george from seinfeld too ^_~

~Mike